After a year in which Arctic Cat unleashed three new platforms, 2013 is understandably a model year in which the company is catching its breath just a bit.
Still, there are new models and improvements to existing machines.
Yep, technology marches forward.
Let's start with the trail sleds:
The big news here is the addition of the F800 Sno Pro RR and F1100 Turbo Sno Pro RR modesl. The "RR" stands for Race-Replica.
Indeed, Arctic Cat wasn't kidding when, as they announced the 2012 Sno Pro 600 racer, they intimated the connection between racing and "regular" machines.
Both RR models comes with race-spec goodies, including the new race version of the Slide Action rear suspension, complete with dampening-adjustable Fox Zero X shocks (the rear-arm shock is a remote-reservoir unit).
Ditto for the ARS front suspension equipped with Fox EVOL X shocks with compression/rebound clickers. Both suspensions are calibrated for the truly hardcore rider (I've ridden them...if you're not into seriously-aggressive riding then these suspensions are too stiff and need recalibration. If you're into ditch-banging and mogul-mashing, you will love the calibration.)
Race-spec runningboard edge rolls are also standard, adding extra foot traction and stout support for the foot area.
The RRs will come in green/white like the 2012 race sled as well as white/white or green/green.
The RRs also get the race version of the RMC hydraulic brake (just like the Sno Pro race sled), which includes the drilled wave rotor, a 9/16-in. master cylinder (for more powerful braking) and race pads.
Some more RR pix to further impress the point that these are for hardcore riders.
On the comfort end of the spectrum, the 2013 Cat F LXR models feature coil-over shocks tuned for supple action at speeds that I'd characterize as easy-to-just-less-than-brisk.
For so-called "regular" hard-chargers, all F models will come in the Sno Pro package, with Fox Float 2 ski shocks that, in conjunction with the Zero Pro skidframe shocks, are calibrated firm. It's the package that your's truly rides happily, unless it's a family ride (during which I'd prefer an LXR package). Above is the Limited white model for 2013.
I spent last week riding the 2013 models near West Yellowstone, Montana. Here I grabbed a shot of Arctic Cat engineer Troy Halvorson aboard the F800 RR. Troy's playing with the air pressure in the RR's ski shocks (along with dampening adjustments on all shocks) illustrated that there is a range of adjustability that will suit a lot of different riders.
One improvement on all 2013 F-model Arctic Cats is the move to a 2.86-in. pitch Ripsaw tracks (compared to the previous 2.52-in. pitch tracks). These 2-ply tracks are lighter by 3 lbs., and show improved top speed. Nine-tooth drive sprockets are used instead of 10-tooth drivers.
You're going to see some confusing numbers on F-model track lengths this coming season. The actual length of these tracks is 128.75-in. Some media will call them 128-in., while others (and Arctic Cat) are referring to them as 129-in. I will be Switzerland and use both, just to keep everyone on their toes.
I know there was speculation that the Sno Pro 500 would migrate to the ProCross chassis for 2013, but that didn't happen.
I grabbed a shot of Arctic Cat engineer Gary Homme who, like other engineers, was at Arctic Cat's test facility near West Yellowstone last week. As has always been the case with Cat, these guys were working with calibration, rear suspension mounting locations, shock valving and other stuff to fine-tune and improve the overall ride and handling of the newest machines.
The first-year gremlins that affected some 2012 models appear to be ironed-out.
Aside from bold, new graphics that are truly bold and new, the 2013 Arctic Cat XF models are mostly unchanged from last year save for the calibration stuff that improves handling and cornering. Look for a story next week or so in which I compare the XF to the F... something I spent considerable time researching while riding last week.
A couple new models are added to the XF line for 2013, however. Dubbed the CrossTour, these new models blur the line between touring/trail/deep-snow by offering a 141-in. track; 42-43-in. ski stance; mountain skis and handlebar; a mid-height windshield; rear storage and handlebar bags; mirrors; rear rack; and a heavy-duty rear bumper that easily accepts accessories like the optional 2-up seat (below).
The CrossTour comes with either the 800 2-stroke or the 1100 non-turbo 4-stroke engine.
Stock with rear rack on the left, and accessorized with the 2-up seat on the right.
The M-model family got the most changes for 2013, all aimed at easing side-hilling and maneuverability in deep snow.
The biggest news is the narrowing of the ski stance to 38-39-in. (compared to the previous 40-41-in. stance) on all but two models (M8 HCR and M1100). I spent almost two days riding the new M models, and I can vouch that this change alone makes a HUGE difference in laying the sled down in deep snow.
Here Team Arctic hillclimber David McClure rips a hard-lean in the Centennial range.
The 4-stroke-powered 2013 Arctic Cat M models (except for the standard M1100) will get the vertical steering post (right, compared to the laydown post on the left). Another huge improvement!
Another big change for the M models is the new 2.6-in. lug PowerClaw track in 153- and 162-in. lengths. With a 3-in. pitch and a stagger-set, curved-forward paddle towers (that won't fold over or take a set), this new track delivers outstanding deep-snow performance and flotation. This track comes on the Sno Pro and HCR models,
Here, Arctic Cat mountain engineer/technician Shay Smith illustrates the flotation/performance improvement.
L-to-R: Arctic Cat mountain engineer/racer Todd Tupper; engineer Brent Magner; Team Arctic racer David McClure; and Shay Smith.
This photo from last Thursday illustrates why Arctic Cat continues to improve upon its machines year-after-year. The crew was out riding, swapping sleds, comparing notes and providing key feedback.
There's strong competition in the mountain segment these days. Arctic Cat gets it done with the sweet vertical steering (and adjustable post on the 800); the new narrower stance; the sweet-nasty 800 twin and the sick 177-hp of the turbocharged 1100.
In other news, Arctic Cat will once again offer Limited Edition Sno Pro models for 2013, in the F, XF and M families. Color-schemes for these Limited models are white or black and, in my humble opinion, dang-sweet!
The Limiteds also get torage bags, hand guards and some other goodies depending upon the model and engine.
That's it for now. Look for more detailed stories in the coming weeks.
Thanks for reading.
2/28/2012 9:10:00 PM
when you say "I've ridden them...if you're not into seriously-aggressive riding then these suspensions are too stiff and need recalibration. If you're into ditch-banging and mogul-mashing, you will love the calibration."
Are the calibrated similar to the SP500 or stiffer yet?? I am tempted to replace my sp500 with that 800rr as the miles are starting to pile up on my sled.
2/28/2012 9:29:00 PM
Another nice write up John. I'm disappointed in the 500SP staying put in the "old" racer chassis another yr...hopefully just another yr. But think the RRs are going to be a big hit.
One question on the RR though..... since Cat is so stuck on convincing us the 1100 non-turbo is the answer to the 600 2 stroke, why can't we get the RR package in the non-Turbo F ??
And why do we have to get a Sno Pro top get a Limited Edition ? Way back in when .... for the firecat LE's.... you could get the Limited Editions in both the standard suspension and the Sno Pro suspension..... why not now ????
Is the Electric start addressed on the 800 LXRs ? And what's the "new" belt holder listed in the spec's ?? Another tease since last yrs (2012s) show sleds had holders, but none of the actual production sleds ended up with it......
2/28/2012 10:05:00 PM
Is the calibration of the suspension of the PROCROSS RR is much stiffer than a SNO PRO or you can adjust it about the same???thanks JOHN !
Greg Hallstrom says:
2/29/2012 2:15:00 AM
What happened to the domed tunnel? And, the telescoping handlebar kit will not work with a high windshield.
Greg Hallstrom says:
2/29/2012 2:24:00 AM
I hope they solved the incompatibility issue of the accessory Sport Bumper and accessory Front Skid Plate.
2/29/2012 7:04:00 AM
To DANIEL above..... I've found that with the adjustable setting on the race spec shocks, they are much more compliant once set up for your weight and riding style. WAY better than the standard SP shock package. In this package, the $1450 premium (based on listed MSPR) is well worth it if you ask me. The EVOL-X's are that alone new !!! Not the mention the skid and brake upgrades....
John Sandberg says:
2/29/2012 7:31:00 AM
RR Suspension Calibration: In terms of stiffness, I'd say it's slightly stiffer than my 2010 SP 500... maybe 5-10%. It's hard to say exactly how it compared to my SP5 though... as I haven't ridden that sled since last winter. :(
However, there is so much adjustability built into the RR via dampening and air pressure, that most riders will find their sweet spot (softer than the SP 500). And for the few that don't, Fox will undoubtedly have a re-valve, aalong with softer torsion springs from Cat.
But I caution you: if you are truly a "mild-paced" rider who just wants to look/feel hardcore, the RR will be too stiff in stock trim.
Domed tunnel: It's gone, in part because a flat tunnel opens up easier possibilities for adding accessories, and also because of its propensity for ice build-up in certain conditions.
I haven't yet seen the belt holder.
No 1100 N/A RR: This one struck me as strange too. I haven't asked the question, but I presume (which I'm good at...LOL) that Cat crunched the sales projections for this kind of sled and determined that the vast majority of would-be buyers would opt for a 800 or turbo.
I think it's a similar situation for why they don't offer a non-Sno Pro Limited model.
I will have a story in a couple weeks on the E-start, reverse and belt.
2/29/2012 8:45:00 AM
Great reviews John! I have a question thats probably been asked 304 times already, but how does the 1100 n/a compare to competitors 600 class machines as far as quickness/speed is concerned?
2/29/2012 9:00:00 AM
I have been a cat guy since the early seventies and even though the newer technology is cool I am dissapointed again this year. Why does Cat continue to push the expensive large bore sleds. I just think that they are missing the boat so to speak. The average consumer doesn't want such large sleds and can't afford them either. Consumers want a 600 2 stroke. Cat and a couple other sled manufacturers are on their way to pricing themselves right out of business.
2/29/2012 10:04:00 AM
Ok, first off I do like the way the new sleds look for the most part. BUT having a '12 1100 NA 50th edition I can say I don't think it's a substitute for a 600. Yes the power is similar, even though it comes on in a different way and there are a lot of things I like about the 4 stroke (Not adding $40/gal APV oil). But, it is still heavy and I miss the snappy response of a 2 stroke. Don't get me wrong I would love an 800RR or TurboRR, but they are expensive up front and at the pump (gotta run premium). Can we please have a 600 two stroke next year to fill the void? There are a lot of people waiting for one!
2/29/2012 10:35:00 AM
so is the tapered tunnel gone all together or just in the back? hopefully if its just the back that cat will have some sort of update on it for us 2012 owners.
Jay Powers says:
2/29/2012 10:48:00 AM
Arctic Cat has cut its ties with Suzuki, the 600cc motor is only gone temporarily. With EPA's and such it was too costly to put the Suzuki 600cc motor up to specs, when in fact Arctic Cat will be building there own motors in 2014. Be patient and look for an all new 600 from Cat in 2014.
Jay Powers says:
2/29/2012 11:14:00 AM
I started snowmobiling in 1969 on my neighbors Rupp. Even then I liked Arctic Cat but opportunity knocked and I became a Rupp man. I raced Rupps till they went bankrupt in 77. I became and Arctic Cat man then and have been brand loyal ever since! I've rode bout everything on snow since I started 43 years ago and I stick with Cat. Arctic Cat has a good product and this day an age they are all equall in some aspects. I agree for an all around sled you cannot beat a 600 class sled. Arctic Cat had to take a chance and look at the bigger picture here. They could've spent a ton of money putting the ole' reliable Suzuki 600cc two stroke up to regulations and specs, but why? They have already announced they cut ties with Suzuki and will be building their own motors in 2014. So they figured spend that money on there own motor, and personally I look for an all new 600cc two stroke in 2014 from Cat that will make all manufactures jeleous! So as I said before remember where your loyalties run and be patient with Arctic Cat and see if your are not pleasantly surprised in 2014. (Rumor has it it will be some sort of Direct Injection motor) Cool huh! Share the passion!
John Sandberg says:
2/29/2012 11:31:00 AM
I think the 1100 NA is pretty close to 600s in power/torque to satisfy most riders, but it's certainly heavier. Added weight decreases performance some, it's true. The sound also detracts from the overall experience.
As for the tunnel change, it's just the top/rear portion that's different for 2013. The tapered/two-piece construction still exists.
Kevin Snook says:
2/29/2012 1:06:00 PM
I own a 2012 F1100 Turbo Sno Pro. My gripe is with the fact that it isnt an easy task to try to work on it in the trail! My coolant tank developed a leak. The cap was impossible to open without taking the "console" off. Real nice caked with snow. Also will have to get a bigger windsheild. If you plan on following anyone, you WILL have a chest full of snow. Sucked that the 2012er's had to buy their own storage bags! The "other" bugs hopefully will get taken care of after i drop it off at the dealer. AGAIN!
24 year Cat's Pride Member. (anything special for 25?)
2/29/2012 1:53:00 PM
The EPA has about killed 2-stroke engines, period. Look at outboards, offroad bikes, watercraft...& sleds. The costs to develop the performance which consumers demand out of a 4-stroke make those products out of reach for a lot of people. The cheapest sled on the market (?) is a Ski-Doo Tundra for $7300...sign me up!
2/29/2012 2:17:00 PM
Except that Polaris is not going 4 stroke so I guess two stroke is not dying. Neither is Ski-doo. Two strokes will be around longer than you or I there artcat. Just stating the truth.
2/29/2012 2:39:00 PM
I can only imagine the pricetag on the SnoPro RR models....
Nice that it comes with the best suspension finally.
Its what the SnoPro 500 has been missing all along.
But I'll be keeping my '10 SP5 for another year, I'm not a huge fan of the ProCross chassis..
My GF may end up buying the White Limited though. She Really likes those.
2/29/2012 3:23:00 PM
why are we still having this discussion? I had a 600. Probably would have bought another in 12 but i got the 800 instead. the 800ho is better in every aspect than the dirty 600. weight, basically the same. HP obvously better. MPG, better because you run at a lower RPM. Oil, better for the same reason. Fun Factor, way better. if it's the additional $1000 or so they are charging over the 1100na then yeah i can buy that but for me there is no reason to have a 600 anymore. I don't hardly ever run it to the bar cause it's way faster than i need but it's so smooooooth and enjoyable i don't want the old 600 back. Now if they had something new with DI that worked i'd consider it.
Alex gould says:
2/29/2012 6:00:00 PM
The guys in Roseau have really got the 2strokes dialed in....right. I speculate having so many 'clean' 4strokes in the lineup is the saving grace of the 'dirty' 800. Hopefully a cleaner injection method that won't lean the motors out is on the way.
2/29/2012 6:32:00 PM
john, i know you said you'll have an in depth article on the differences of the F vs XF but could you just give us a brief rundown for now? i'm really torn between the 2. i'd love the extra length track but ride 99% high speed trails and dont want to give up coupling or slide action. the website right now lists the XF as having slide action but then on it's spec sheet says it doesnt have it.
Greg Hallstrom says:
2/29/2012 9:22:00 PM
Did they come up with a screen and Frogzskin mesh for the large cattail fuzz and snow scoop on the right side panels?
2/29/2012 10:46:00 PM
Fuel tank on the turbos is too small, 80 miles and I'm looking for a gas station. The seat also has a hard spot in it, not enough foam to prevent spine tinglers. These also kick up too much snow in the rear.. head light lowbeam/high beam is off, you can only adjust for one or the other,can't have both. tie rods are built too light, alignment gets knocked out to easily. No protective carrying case for air shock pump? Belt gaurd is not good nor is the location of the computer.the chassis has handling issues but not as severe as the twin spar.. just little stuff that cat should address,dealer can't really correct this stuff, factory will just need to look into it.. they know about this stuff,they just need to correct it on future models.
2/29/2012 11:39:00 PM
I was a bit surprised not to see a consumer 600 but the F1100 was doing really well in the Iron Dog this year. Dixon & Wold were in the top ten but then had an issue and had to scratch on the way back to Fairbanks. I think it was a water pump issue?
I think the lack of a Sno-Pro version of the 1100 is a mistake but I love the 800RR.
John Sandberg says:
3/1/2012 7:12:00 AM
600 vs. 1100: I think was Steve wrote is pretty accurate. I've always gravitated to 500/600 engines instead of the big ones, but having an 800 last year made me fall in love with the 800, for all of the reasons you mentioned. Still, I want a 600.
Greg: same vent screens as last year. If your boondocking through the cattails, you need the fine screen accessory kit.
Tommcat: regarding the XF vs. F... if I was riding trail 99% of the time, it would be a no-brainer. F for sure. More agile cornering and more playful/maneuverable when riding bumps and ditches. Frankly, if there's no net-loss of performance, I just plain prefer smaller snowmobiles when dealing with the incidental stuff, like trailering (I can't get 4 XFs on my trailer, but I can get 4 Fs on it), storing in the garage/shop, working on them.
Flintstone: those are solid observations. Question: the gauge indicates that less fuel is available then what is actually in the tank (which is a pet-peeve)... how many miles are you actually getting to a tank? Or, how much fuel do you put in after riding 80 miles?
Rich Eichelberger says:
3/1/2012 8:59:00 AM
FX110 Turbo LXR Love / Hate relationship.
Been sledding since 1975 and this year purchased my first cat since 98, when I fell in love with the retro graphics and the new styling, a FX1100 turbo, LXR. I rode 4800 cat miles in Quebec so far this season and have mixed opinions. Love the looks, love the acceleration, and the front end steering. I hate the recalls, and all the issues that showed up. Reverse, gas line rub, turbo hose rubs, Oil line rub thru and oil leaks, anti freeze overflow, Odometer 10% off, wore out two sets of hi-fax in good snow conditions, rear suspension coil over shock too light for touring gear and spare gas, front shocks wore out, turbo noise, slide rail bolts broke and damaged a slide rail. Where is the Quality Control and Testing??? I guess I ordered the wrong sled. Hope they soon get their act together. This has the potential to be a great sled.
3/1/2012 9:02:00 AM
Steve. The $1500 price difference is just the start. My insurance on a 600 is about 450 a year. Going up to an 800 and it more than doubles to closer to a grand. That is alot of ching for three months riding. 600's are just a better choice for a vast majority of riders whether they think so or not.
Todd Ulschmid says:
3/1/2012 3:30:00 PM
Sweet! These procoss sleds looked awesome for 2012 and the crew up at TRF just keep out doing themselves. 2013's look AWESOME! Continuos improvement is the name of the game. Did you really think they wouldn't address the issues from this psat season. EVERY new chassis will have some quirks to work out. No matter what the brand. Over all, I think the new procross lived up to the billing. The good people up at TRF should be proud.
Cat House says:
3/1/2012 4:01:00 PM
Sweet sleds. I would love to see a 600 like others. I guess they are ok with surrendering that segment to Poo and Doo for some reason
3/1/2012 4:11:00 PM
I agree Cat House but I guess from Cat's own words, the 1100 outsold the polaris 600. Hard to imagine but then again it is a polaris. Oh I suppose I should be nice to them.
3/1/2012 8:42:00 PM
John, My turbo is a 10-12 mpg machine riding it aggressively!! One other observation I have made with it is that the front suspension is like a pogo stick but not in a bad way, it just does things I have never seen a sled do, when I hit deep dips or launch it off sharp steep ditch crossings with it the front will almost bottom and then launches the front end of the sled to the moon, it is like it nose dives and then reacts with a leap when I hit certain stuff with it, it is actually fun once your used to it I think it has something to do with the weight of the machine and the balance and the shocks that are being used... it was quite the eye opener the first couple of times it did it!! Now I know to expect it.. Also I will admit that the rear suspesnion in my sno pro is on the stiff side but yet is very ditch banger friendly in the sense that it doesn't bottom easily and i can do some crazy stuff with it in the bumps, jumps and ride away.
This sled is going to take some getting used to, switching to a 800 2 stroke feels like childs play compared to riding this beast of a machine turbo monster.
not sure who will be buying the rr's or what they really plan to do with them if they are built quite a bit stiffer then these sno pro's..who ever buys them and really needs it must be super human..hopefully the sales man can steer the customers in the right direction, it is gonna take one beast of a man that needs a pro rr turbo over the sno pro!!
Greg Hallstrom says:
3/1/2012 11:13:00 PM
If you are referring to the Vented Side Panels (PN: 5639-866 in the 2012 Accessories Catalog), they do not appear to have Frogzskin mesh over the original openings either. Nor does the original opening on the right side panel have the expanded metal screen like what is on the left side panel (at least from what I can tell from the picture in the catalog). I do not need the extra venting nor do I want to spend $349.95 for them. When I contacted the Frogzskin people by e-mail a while back (see my posting on the ArcticInsider.com Facebook page) they replied that they currently do not make a Frogzskin mesh for the right side panels but that they are "working on it" and hope to have one available later this year. Meanwhile, I am surprised that the Cat engineers don't at least install an expanded metal screen under the opening on the right side panel like they have on the left side panel to keep out large pieces of debri and snow. It is a potential fire hazard with the muffler right below and also makes a mess in the bottom of the belly pan. In powder snow it makes for an interesting steam show.
Greg W says:
3/2/2012 8:23:00 AM
I'm glad they've addressed the issues that 2012 owners are dealing with. I just hope they don't forget those of us who dropped our cash last year for a new sled. Those of us who gave them the influx of capital that allowed them to cut ties with Suzuki. They should make our sleds right at no additional cost to us - the icing and hyfax wear must be addressed on the 2012's as well.
Also, the lack of a 600 2-stroke does leave a hole in the lineup. However, in my experience they are actually less gas/oil efficient than the 800. I experienced this first-hand on more than one occasion. Especially if you ride the way most AC riders do. And if you don't ride that way, then the 1100 should fit the bill.
jim butler says:
3/5/2012 9:01:00 PM
I have had a new 2006 fc7, 2009 cf800, 2011 cf sp800, 2012 xf sp800. 2012 lost weight but i'm caring a ton of ice. Hoefully this will be fixed.
3/6/2012 8:31:00 AM
John: Where is cats price point sled? Polaris just released an updated Shift 600 that is now the new Indy and it starts at $7,999.00. Cat's cheapest 600 comparable sled is almost $10,800 and even there 500 costs alot more. Do they want to take or give up market share?
mike F says:
3/6/2012 11:03:00 AM
Polaris is going to sell a lot of those Indy's. Arctic just got its grass mowed. I can't wait to see what 2014 has in store in the AC engine department.
3/8/2012 4:37:00 PM
JimR please buy a different brand arctic cat does not have a 600 get over it.
sledhead vince says:
3/8/2012 11:00:00 PM
Considering an 800 RR, will I be able to adjust the suspensions to get it to ride close to a standard sno pro, or will it be much stiffer no matter how much adjusting I do?
3/9/2012 7:37:00 AM
I am not going to buy another brand but Cat needs to step up with a PRICE POINT SLED to keep there market share growing. They need a 600 sled!
3/9/2012 7:48:00 AM
It's obvious that they do not need to make a 600 considering (like you stated earlier) that the 1100 out sold the Polaris 600. Arctic Cat is going to do what's best for the company and for right now a 600 is not it. If you want a price point sled buy a Polaris, they just came out with a new one. Either buck up and buy an 800 or an 1100. Stop whining please. REAL SNOWMOBILERS DON'T WORRY ABOUT PRICE!
3/9/2012 7:56:00 AM
Real sledders do worry about price. Wake up! Polaris stands a HUGE chance of doubleing Cats sales this year on the 600 alone. $2,800 difference is pretty damn hard to ignore unless you are rich. I for one am not. More people putting pressure on Cat to get a price point 120 hp sled out there the better. Hate 4 strokes but if they had one for less than 9k I might give it a try. Not for almost 11k. Not for the less than 3 months a year we get to ride here in Minnesota.
3/9/2012 9:28:00 AM
Face it buddy your done. Even when cat comes out with a DI 600 it's going to be over 10k. A 2011 F6 SnoPro retailed at 10,299 sorry to say. A Direct Injected one is going to be all of that or more. Also just because I'm curious what kind of sled do you have now?
3/9/2012 10:02:00 AM
Done? If Polaris and Ski-doo can do it I am pretty sure Cat can to. What is you're problem. Have to much money and not sure what to spend it on? I bought a carry over 08 F6 for less than $8,0000 two years ago. Time to update but not for $11,000. $9,000 at the VERY MOST! Sled does not need rebuildable shocks and it sure as hell does not need the most expensive gauge on it. Make a Cat 600 class Shift. Simple!
3/9/2012 10:18:00 AM
The problem is I'm sick of people whining over everything cat does. I think they are doing a fantastic job. You said you bought a carry over 08 f6 so if cat would have came out with a 600 base model you wouldn't buy one till it was a carry over anyway, and I'm sure you didnt buy it from your local dealer either.
3/9/2012 10:24:00 AM
First off I did buy from my locaL dealer. I talked to Randy from RV Sports last year in Fargo on this exact subject and he is the first in line to the factory. He told me point blank that this is what Cat has to step up to the plate on. A price point sled to bring in new riders. I think he knows a hell of alot more than you or I do when it comes to this. Cat is doing a good job but to miss out on a gold mine of riders is pretty freaking stupid if you ask me. Wish I had you're money to throw away.
Jay Powers says:
3/10/2012 7:20:00 AM
Guys, quit argueing please! Cats 600 two stroke was not marketable anymore, too many regulations etc. Now which would you have rather seen them do? Dump a ton of money into the Suzuki 600cc to put it up to par, or take that money they would spend and put it into developement of there new motor? It's a no brainer really! And if your loyal to Cat, you'll wait! Arctic Cat isn't going anywhere, there here for the long haul. But they deffinatly have been looking at the bigger picture. You will eventually get your 600cc two stroke but with regulations the way they are the 4stroke is going to play a very important part in our society, and lets face it Cat is way ahead of the game there. So sit back and enjoy life and the time we have here on this great planet! Don't sweat the little things! The lack of snow here in the midwest has everyone cranky! I only got 525 mi this year!
Forever 17 says:
6/11/2012 11:55:00 AM
I love my cats, both 800's. I have a 11 CFR, and an older hopped up mountain cat. What I'd like to see is an entry level sled for my granddaughters. It can a 6, yes I can wait. But I don't think my granddaughters really want to. So I may have to go see randy again at RV for an off season 570. By the way I do bleed green, to me there is no other sleds.
9/3/2012 11:47:00 PM
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10/8/2012 11:31:00 AM
Hi I'm wondering if the Arctic Cat f 800 RR shocks are adjustable so that the ride won't feel as stiff even though it's meant to ride like that. I"m really considering on purchasing one but I'm worried about the ride comfort since I'm not an extreme hard rider, I just like to hit the trails with comfort.
1/4/2013 7:07:00 PM
I have the F1100 thinking it would be close to a 600 but sadly disapointed. I feel the power is there but the weight hold you back. If I want to ride with the family i will ride the 1100 but if I want to ride hard with the boy's out comes the BIKEMANized sno pro 500. Its light and ready to go!! ARCTIC CAT please all I want is a 600 2stroke in 2014